preset control is a disaster

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Flower Pot
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Joined: November 21, 2011

(I used mdaDX10 for testing this) Load it, select a preset and save the audiomulch project then re-open it and open up the preset list, it will show the first preset checked but the controls will reflect the preset which you saved it on.

Load a FXB bank and find a preset you like and save your audiomulch project, open up the project and that bank will not be loaded at all and it will be set to the first preset of the default bank however the controls will reflect the preset which it was saved on. Its a bit mind blowing how terrible this is.

Is there even a way to save banks of the native preset format?

Ross B.
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Joined: April 11, 2009

When you say "native" I'm not sure if you're talking about VST programs or native AudioMulch contraption presets. These are two different things.

Right now AudioMulch has limited support for VST programs. You can load and save program banks (.fxb files), and you can switch/recall VST programs. However, because AudioMulch presets work completely differently from VST programs they do not interoperate cleanly. Thus it is recommended that you don't use VST programs, but just use AudioMulch contraption presets.

The main difference is that AudioMulch contraption presets are only saved when you click "Store". When you're editing contraption parameters you are in a separate edit buffer that is independent of any AudioMulch contraption preset. VSTs on the other hand don't have an edit buffer.. or rather, every VST program is a separate edit buffer, and you are always editing one of them (destructively) -- there is no concept of "storing" a VST program. So effectively, when you select a different VST program you are switching AudioMulch to use that as the current edit buffer.

Also, when you save an AudioMulch document, AudioMulch only ever stores the current VST parameter values (no matter what VST programme number is selected). All the other VST programs are not stored. The reason for this is that many VSTs have hundreds of programs, and if AM stored all of the programmes in every .amh file you would end up with multi-megabyte documents. It's also often very time consuming to switch a plugin to each programme and save it.

So the best solution is always to use AudioMulch presets and everything will work properly.

If you can think of a way to make AM work better keeping in mind all of the above, then I'd love to hear about it.

Note that there are a few related things that people have requested or that I'm considering for the future:
- Ability to switch VST programs from MIDI
- Option to tell AudioMulch to store all VST programs in the document
- Option to copy VST programs to/from AudioMulch presets
- VST program management window similar to AudioMulch preset popup window

paradiddle
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Joined: June 24, 2009

Better preset management in regards to vst would be most apppreciate. As for the Ability to switch VST programs from MIDI, I though this was possible with midi controller sending program changes. I had a friend's one for a while and it worked. Unless not all vsts support program changes?

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Note that there are a few related things that people have requested or that I'm considering for the future:
- Ability to switch VST programs from MIDI
- Option to tell AudioMulch to store all VST programs in the document
- Option to copy VST programs to/from AudioMulch presets
- VST program management window similar to AudioMulch preset popup window
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Flower Pot
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Joined: November 21, 2011

The main problem is management and dispersal of creative ideas. You need to be able to make a favorite sound or bank of sounds and share them across projects (or programs). AM is missing single preset export/import of VST(fxp) and Native preset's and bank import export of Native presets.

Right now its very claustrophobic when you can't import/export Native presets at the very very least.

Unguitar
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Joined: July 6, 2009

Yes,
I do fully agree.

I hope there will be soon the chance to have AM save both contraptions presets and Vst's in a more "ergonomic" way. Recall possibilities are of course related to this.
This would open it's potential quite a lot as a full loaded live performance environment.

my best,
Luca

Ross B.
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Joined: April 11, 2009

Right now you can cut and paste AudioMulch presets between documents. And you can cut and paste contraptions with their presets between documents. So you can launch two copies of AM and copy between them.

I can add fxp export if you think it would be useful. Although as I said above, editing VST programs is not recommended.

We've discussed before having a global library of pre-configured contraptions (which would include presets) so this is possibly the easiest direction for reuse.

Beyond that I'm open to suggestions.